Chiropracter vs. Deep Tissue Massage (video)?

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This is kinda long, sorry, but I feel the need to get all the details in.

I have a 6 year old TB mare (never raced) that I've had since the beginning of April. She came to me skinny, sore, and with feet about an inch long (barefoot and chipping). I had a prepurchase vet exam and she said with her feet so sore, it was hard to tell exactly where soreness was coming from, but said her hind end was definitely a little wacky. Her final statement in the bill was "Sore front feet but sound in the front otherwise, lame in the hind left, right hind tracking off, and sore back". Of course those are not the exact words, but in a nutshell. My vet said it was about a 75% chance that the soreness in the hind and back was due to lack of conditioning and that it would go away with work at flexion. I took a chance on the mare anyway and purchased her after the week trial. She came to me VERY green, so teaching her to bend was challenging enough, but now we've got it down and we've been lunging in sidereins as directed by my vet to help strengthen her back. A week after I purchased her, the previous owners told me about an accident she'd had a couple months before. She had tried to jump a wire fence on an incline, got her front end over but not her hind so she was straddling this fence, pushed off the ground with her front and went back over to the other side, but in the process she somehow got the wire caught inbetween her hoof and shoe in the left hind. She yanked continuously (I think this is where the injury is from) until she finally collapsed and landed on her left hip. Good thing they told me this right after my prepurchase, right?
The second week in July I had the vet return for a follow up. She said she's a completely different horse in the front (feet are very near close to perfect she said), and now that she's moving great in the front, the real problem in the hind is showing. It's a torn muscle in the stifle and my mare is "protecting" it by holding her back different and moving differently entirely in the hind, kind of like how a person's spine would be affected by one leg being shorter than the other. She did a flexion in my mare's left hind where the injury is, and my mare trotted off perfectly. Did the flexion in the right hind and then she dragged her left hind. The vet said she HAS improved and expects a full recovery within a year. Fine by me.
So here's my question: A chiropractor is coming out on Saturday to work on a post-trauma horse (the owner is an equine vet), and I thought my mare might benefit from having some work done. After making the appointment, I found out the chiro will not do massages, which I think would be great for her stifle area. I can not afford to do both (I'm moving her to another ranch on the first which is going to cost me a bundle!), so I'm reconsidering the chiro. Which do you think would benefit her the most? I'm only asking on here while I wait for my vet to return my email, which could take years if you know what I mean, and I only have about 24 hours to decide.
Here's a video of us the beginning of last month. The video was of the entire ride: warm up and cool down- I keep my rides short since we're in training. I ride like this about once a week and the rest of the time we hack bareback or just work on lunging. I was kicked about 3 weeks ago, so mostly we've just been hanging out and playing.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32004447@N02/3596574469/
Watch how her left hind is a little stiff.
 
Well a massage isn't going to help as much with a torn muscle.Its best to leave that be and let nature heal it. I definitely think you should get the chiropractor because that will help heal the horses back faster. While a massage will only temporarily relieve the pain. You look pretty good considering everything thats happening. Cute horsey!
 
MASSAGE THERAPY

Reason I say this is because I have had several clients who's horses had issues where they benefitted 100% from massage therapy vs chiro.

A chiro works the bones, so to speak....a massage therapist does a deep tissue massage that gets rid of scar tissue, loosens up the connective tissues between the bone and the muscles, tendons, ligaments, etc....for maximum effect.

Contrary to popular belief....it's not "just" a massage. There's a lot more to it than that.

Also, the massage therapist that worked on my clients' horses also was given a horse that was started too young and too hard for dressage and it was broken down in the hind quarters. The horse couldn't raise its back feet. So, the owner gave the horse away to the massage therapist. Within a year's time, she had that horse limbered up and is now training him for eventing.
 
it will take a long time to treat her and she could have continuing problems. you can if you want, back her by hand and take her on a walk over little hills to help the stifle and her back area, this will help strengthen it . BUT the choice is yours, the vet bills, the aftercare treament are all costly and will add up.
chrio will benifit her alot but it will help to also massage her from home.

here is this video. it's awesome! simple massage techniques that you CANT go wrong with!!!

check it out I love it! props to the girl who made it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QscI8J0oihQ

and if you youtube horse strrectches or massages or chrio etc... alot of videos that you may be interested will pop up
good luck
lounging work is good! i wish you the best.
 
Although both sound good, if you must choose, I would go with the chiropractic treatment. If her back is out and needs to be adjusted, then the muscles will get some relief just from not having to compensate for a wacky back.

The deep tissue massage may bring more pain relief in the short term, but if the back is still out, the muscles will eventually just go back to their pretreatment state.
 
Which comes first - the chicken or the egg?
Both are obviously very beneficial if done correctly and there are good an bad of both chiropractors and masseuses.

I think that if you get the structure right then the muscles will build up but, unless muscle memory is changed it can pull the structure out again - which is why most chiropractors need to readjust more than once.
A deep massage might alter the muscle memory and allow adjustments to occur on their own but it is doubtful so, I would go for the chiropractor.

When I do chiro work I use Applied Kinesiology through a second person, this allows for an exact diagnosis of where the horse is misaligned and also diagnoses which way it has twisted so allows for more accurate realignment and alteration of the muscle memory.
The fact that the horse is wrong behind leads me to believe that she will also be misaligned in the diagonal shoulder.
If you mail me <[email protected]> I will send you a series of checks you can do which will tell you how misaligned your horse is.
 
I agree with GregB! Do the Chiropractor first. I have used them before & they are great! Mine saved on of my old mares from being put down. My vet sid to put her down bla bla bla, well I called my Chiro first. He put her in line & she lived for almost another 3yrs. She sounds to be out of place which makes he walk/trot/lope/stand off. She is compensating for her being off which is throwing her whole body off.
 
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    ๐ŸŒธ We have 9 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MIMI, MALIYA, SANA, MONIKA, PREETI, ANGELINA, NISHA, SALMA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  38. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Ensuit shower is available ๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl beautiful face Mimi,natural c cup,deep tissue massage ,nice body slide ๐Ÿ’„Tina beautiful face,open mind she can provide everything you want,make you comfortable time ๐Ÿฅฐ Long hair Q girl Lucy deep to relax massage ๏ผŒhot stone,cupping very popular ,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  39. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Julia๐Ÿ˜˜ - A shy new Korean girl waiting
  40. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Slim Petite Chinese Vivi & Young Slim Sexy Chinese Faye & Sexy Chinese Cici
  41. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธNina๐ŸŒธRebecca๐ŸŒธMariaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  42. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Fedi,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  43. Moneylee:
    full season wellness center: NewYoung girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament April, Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Grace,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Selena ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bobo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  44. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 3 girls are working today, New ,young pretty Yumi 23โ€™s and slim Curved body shap Ivy 30โ€™s, sexy Lina are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
  45. HollywoodSpa:
    Tuesday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: COCO & SISI. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one. Nice Massage, Young Pretty Girls. We have Chinese, Japanese, Korean & other attendants. COCO is an attractive attendant with nice massage skills & good services. SISI is a sweet slim beauty, 5โ€™5โ€
  46. ForeverWarden:
    Tuesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Tracy & Vivian. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs. She is very popular
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Tuesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: EMMA, JENNY & CINDY. EMMA is a very beautiful slim Chinese honey with C Cups, beauty face, & nice services to drive you wild. Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady
  48. OrchidSPA:
    Today we have Beautiful Girls Sofia & Mia. ๐Ÿ”ฅ Sofia is Slim, Cute and Openminded.๐ŸคฉMia is also a slim cute girl. ๐Ÿšถโ€โžก๏ธ Drop In and Enjoy A Delicious & Satisfying Experience Today! ๐Ÿคฉ OPEN: 10am to 10:00pm ~ Call/Text โฉ๏ธ 437-220-6963 ~ Unit#103 3601 Highway 7, Markham, ON L3R 0M3
  49. SugarLoveSpa:
    Tuesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, HANA & MIMI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. HANA is a slim, sexy & very liberal Mexican lady with incredible services.
  50. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga We have two girls working today, Bella and Kiki, both of them are young, pretty, cute, petite, good massage
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