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Renowned myoskeletal therapist Erik Dalton, PhD, has a broad therapeutic background in massage, Rolfing and manipulative osteopathy.


He is widely regarded for his innovative and entertaining pain-management workshops, books, and videos.

He is the executive director of the Freedom From Pain Institute, developer of Myoskeletal Alignment Techniques, and author of Dynamic Body: Exploring Form, Expanding Function. (Visit erikdalton.com to read his internationally published articles and to learn more about his unique approach to bodywork.)

Eric Brown is our guest interviewer for today’s podcast. Known by many as the “Grand Massage Poobah,” he is the founder of Massage Therapy Radio, one of the original massage podcasts.

Eric Brown: When you were a kid, what did you want to be when you grew up?


Erik Dalton: I’ve always loved performing—my mom was a ballroom dance teacher, and at age 5 I began taking tap lessons. My idol was Fred Astaire, whom Ida Rolf called Mr. Psoas because of the eloquent way he used his core muscles.

I performed in a few high-school musicals, but by graduation I was playing fraternity parties in a rock band at University of Oklahoma.

Our band’s popularity took off, and an LA-based record company asked us to make an album. With the money we made, I was able to complete my psychology grad-school studies. I had no idea bodywork would be my life’s path, but here I am.

EB: How did you get into bodywork?


ED: Our band was playing at a club in Carmel Valley, down the road from the Esalen Institute, and I saw a sign advertising a Fritz Perls (Gestalt psychology) talk that night at Esalen.

By the time I got there, a lady named Ida Rolf was doing a hands-on demonstration. I was fascinated not only by her captivating personality, but also how she was able to make observable changes to this guy’s body in a short demo.

When I got back to LA, I began looking for a Rolfer to help me with a shoulder problem, but I had no luck. A few years later, I was working at the Health Institute of San Diego when I overheard one of the staff members raving about a Rolfer in Del Mar.

I made an appointment right away, and by session three I was pretty much pain free—and hooked on the Rolf method.

By the time session 10 rolled around, I knew I wanted to become a Certified Rolfer.

EB: When did you teach your first workshop?


ED: I held my first workshop in 1994, and back then we called it the “Dalton Attachment Technique.” I’ll never forget that day. My wife Teri and I stuffed 11 therapists in our three-car pink garage, and I remember how thrilled we were that anyone showed up.

In fact, we were so eager to please attendees, we hired a catering company to serve lunch on our terrace overlooking the lake and decorated the whole place like a party. We didn’t make any money on that event, but it encouraged me to continue on the educational path.

Even today, we treat each workshop as an event by booking cool hotels, bringing in our own state-of-the-art audiovisual equipment and supplying participants with full-color booklets with step-by-step instructions detailing all the things we’ll cover that weekend. The goal is to give participants an educational and cultural experience they won’t forget.

EB: How did the Dalton Attachment Technique evolve into Myoskeletal Alignment Techniques?


ED: I’d been in practice as a Certified Advanced Rolfer for several years when I fractured my neck in a clumsy judo fall and lost the use of my left arm. With months of radiating pain and lots of free time on my hands, I began seeking out information on joint neurology.

In my search for answers, I was fortunate to be accepted to study with the legendary Philip Greenman at Michigan State College of Osteopathic Medicine.

After a few years of post-graduate workshops, I was having so much success treating my chronic pain clients that I decided to combine the myofascial and skeletal work and call it Myoskeletal Alignment Techniques, or MAT.

My clients loved the new things I was bringing into my practice, and I began to notice they were standing taller, moving better, and always commenting on how much better they felt. Soon, I became the neck and back go-to guy in Oklahoma City.

Seemingly overnight, my clientele grew to a whopping 36 people a week. So, in 1998, I decided to form the Freedom From Pain Institute and release my first nationally approved MAT home-study course, “Posture Pain Performance.”

Caught off guard by the demand for the course, I rounded up my longtime teaching assistant Kim Miller and hit the road to hold workshops at conventions, massage schools, and any place that asked us to come.

We started picking up skilled bodywork disciples along the way—Paul Kelly came aboard after attending a Nashville workshop, and he’s been teaching with the Freedom From Pain Institute for more than 12 years now.

I’m very fond of all the “Dalton Gang” members who have been with me for so long. As anyone who attends workshops knows, teaching assistants can make or break the experience.

EB: How has the content of MAT changed since you taught your first workshop?


ED: New tools have allowed researchers to uncover a lot more about how the brain inputs, processes and outputs pain—and MAT continues to evolve with each exciting scientific discovery.

Our trainings now include brain-based corrective exercises, hormone activating techniques and neuromobilization maneuvers, as well as the latest concepts in pain science.

MAT practitioners are taught to take clients through a series of deep tissue and graded exposure stretches to help calm hyperexcited nerve receptors and relieve protective muscle guarding.

We’re always stressing the importance of developing keen observation and compassion skills, guided by the principle that the healer is ultimately within each client. We all like to take credit when clients improve, but we must stay humble and remember we’re just facilitators in their healing.

EB: I know you are a lifelong learner, Erik. You never stop learning. Tell me about a recent discovery that has changed your work in some way.


ED: Lately I’ve been learning more about the hormones that help our clients feel better, and I’ve been experimenting with ways to trigger those hormones during therapy sessions.

The acronym DOSE stands for the hormonal quartet of dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin and endorphins—these are the hormones I’m looking to boost.

Dopamine can be stimulated by setting goals the client can achieve. Oxytocin is activated through empathy and trust, so make your clients feel as safe and important as possible. Serotonin is enhanced not only through touch, but also by having the client reflect on past therapeutic achievements.

The research on endorphins seems to indicate that slow, sustained deep touch works best to buffer and help gate the client’s pain.

For more on how neurotransmitter work can trigger a client’s feel-good hormones, check out my blog at erikdalton.com.

EB: Why would someone want to get training in MAT? What are the benefits for a massage therapist?


ED: It’s important to know why we keep seeing the same distorted postural patterns, such as head forward postures, functional scoliosis, pronated feet and valgus knees. We need to remember posture is just a symptom of the underlying problem.

Poor posture tells us the brain and body are not communicating well, but it is not the main event. MAT therapists use brain-based assessments to figure out where the client’s problems are and address them at their core.

Training in MAT allows practitioners to gain basic knowledge of spinal biomechanics and joint neurology for a better understanding of protective muscle guarding. We need to ask ourselves why that knotty shoulder blade spasm keeps returning session after session and whether we want to keep pounding on it.

Remember, the brain may be layering the area with spasm because it senses instability or perceived threat.

So, the short answer to your question is that therapists benefit from MAT programs because they produce positive, observable results that lead to more referrals and better income.

EB: Is it difficult to do MAT? Is it physically difficult to perform?


ED: I designed MAT to fit into any type of bodywork format for practitioners of any size—if they learn to use their bodies properly. At our workshops, I’m always fascinated by the vast improvement in participants’ hands-on skills from day one to day three.

It took me a long time to realize it was not so much what I was teaching them about using their hands as what I was teaching them about using their bodies. Efficient body use is a key focus in all our trainings.

EB: Do you want to comment on the role of home self-care as a way of augmenting your hands-on work and getting better outcomes?


ED: A couple years ago, Paul Kelly and I filmed a home-study course called “Motion is Lotion,” and that title is so true. People have to move to stay healthy and maintain the gains from hands-on work.

Typically, I’ll give my clients three fairly simple corrective exercises to perform once or twice a day. When they return for their next visit, I ask them to show me what they learned.

This not only allows me to observe for quality of movement, but also to praise them for their improvement, which stimulates dopamine. It also lets them know they better be practicing the corrective exercises, because I will be quizzing them!

I also encourage clients to engage in any exercise that is fun. I personally love swimming, hiking, mini trampoline rebounding and any kind of floor exercises.

EB: If someone is interested in using MAT in their practice, where do they start?


ED: I usually recommend starting with one of my three foundational home-study courses, such as “Posture Pain Performance.” This particular program outlines the theory behind the work and focuses primarily on neck and back pain problems.

As osteopathy founder A.T. Still once said, “Learn to fix necks and backs and you’ll always have a full practice.”

EB: For those who prefer in-person workshops to home study, can you tell us what you offer?


ED: I teach one workshop a year in Oklahoma City and also have an annual Costa Rica retreat, called “Pain Management in Paradise.” At our most recent US workshop, I was honored to have Til Luchau conduct a segment on neurogenic headache.

A host of other special guests joined us as well, including Eric Stephenson, Drew Freeman, Sue Hitzmann and Paul Kelly.

Our 19th annual Costa Rica retreat takes place the weekend after Thanksgiving and is now sold out.

However, Paul Kelly will be teaching a bunch of Freedom From Pain Institute workshops in the coming months, and Aubrey Gowing will be conducting MAT workshops throughout Europe. Charlie Peebles also has yearly MAT trainings at Indiana State University, where they offer a minor in massage therapy.

EB: Are there any new and exciting projects you’d like to tell us about?


ED: My creative director Barbara Kardokus and I recently finished putting together a 210-hour Master Myoskeletal Therapist (MMT) certification program, which has been a decade in the making.

Therapists can now earn a “master’s in myoskeletal” through a combination of e-learning courses and 50 hours of live training.

Graduates receive a personal profile page on our website, access to a teachers-in-training program, and soon we’ll be offering a free subscription-based service featuring weekly technique videos, research articles, and a MAT chat room to communicate with fellow MMTs.

EB: I know you still have an active and busy practice. How long have you been practicing?


ED: I graduated massage college in California in 1979 as a requirement for Rolf training and have been in full-time practice ever since.

My wife, Teri, and I have been trying for several years to semi-retire to our Costa Rica home, but my clients are like family, and I find it hard to be away from them for too long.

I might have moved on to another profession long ago had it not been for the constant learning that comes from working with clients.

I love attending workshops and have had the honor to study with some legendary educators, but the hands-on work with my clients has taught me more than everything I’ve learned in textbooks and live trainings combined.

Bottom line: You can’t teach experience!

EB: If you could give therapists one piece of advice, based on your long career in the profession, what would it be?


ED: Keep the passion, folks! We have the best job on the planet, but we must stay engaged as we build our practices.

When the art and fun of bodywork becomes strictly a business, it may be time to reignite the passion by trading sessions with fellow therapists, attending a workshop with friends or upgrading your skill set in your spare time.

I always recommend my e-learning courses because we put so much time and love into them. There are some wonderful programs out there today that will set you apart in your community.

One of my favorite quotes is this: “The truly educated never graduate.”

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    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️( 647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️( 437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥TWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥 💯REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯 🔥TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: Cindy😘 - A stunning new massage girl f
  36. wonderspa:
    🌺welcome to wonder spa☎️416-5000-800,L6a4H8,open10 to10.we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,Ensuit shower available 🍅,service queen Sunny friendly nice girl,providing deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide🍅joey is very good looking,big breasted sweet sensual touch,strong to relax massage,amazing body really popular,must try,open long weekend 🔥🔥
  37. OrchidSPA:
    Today we have Beautiful Girls Mia & Eva 🤩Mia is a Slim Cute Asian Hot Girl. 🔥 Eva is Very Popular in the GTA. ( | ) Drop In and Enjoy a Satisfying Experience Today! OPEN: 10am to 10:00pm ~ Call/Text ⏩️ 437-220-6963 ~ Unit#103 3601 Highway 7, Markham, ON L3R 0M3
  38. AliceSpa:
    Due to heavy snow in the parking lot at Alice Spa, we recommend that guests visit after 1pm today.4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟮𝟵𝟴-𝟬𝟴𝟵𝟴
  39. ForeverWarden:
    Sunday at 🫦❤️🔴🟥♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳: Bobo, Vivian & Cindy. Bobo is a small, slim and sexy lady, petite with all natural busty melons for your enjoyment. Vivian is an attractive slim Vietnamese honey with C Cups, who can sweeten your day with daty, bj and cfs Cindy is a slim beauty, 5’4”, natural C Cups
  40. HolidaySpa:
    Sunday at 🌴😎🌅𝓗𝓸𝓵𝓲𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓢𝓹𝓪🌅😎🌴3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough ☎️𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟮𝟰𝟳-𝟭𝟭𝟵𝟵☎️: Jenny & Suki. Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy. PEACH is a slim and sultry Chinese lady with nice peaches. SUKI is a sexy lady, short with big boobs, medium massage & nice services.
  41. HollywoodSpa:
    Sunday at 🎭𝗛𝗢𝗟𝗟𝗬𝗪𝗢𝗢𝗗 𝗦𝗣𝗔🎭, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: BELLA & YUKI ☎416-222-5554☎ When you visit 🎭Hollywood Spa🎭, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one. Nice Massage, Young Pretty Girls. We have Chinese, Japanese, Korean & other attendants. BELLA is a slim beauty with nice melons, a slim waist, and round bottom. She knows how to make you very happy. YUKI
  42. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young pretty Lily 25’s with slime body open mind and young fun Ivy 30’s with big buttocks 36DD open mind, sexy Coco and sweet GFE Ella are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
  43. SugarLoveSpa:
    Sunday at ❤️💙 💜⎝𝗦𝗨𝗚𝗔𝗥 𝗟𝗢𝗩𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔⎠💖💗💘: ANA & HANA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5’1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. HANA is a slim, sexy & very liberal Mexican lady with incredible services. Sugar Love Spa is an all new spa
  44. Soul Relax Spa:
    ✨ Looking for a relaxing escape? ✅ Click Here Meet🌸Valentina🌸KarlaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now ☎ 289 - 298 - 5662☎️ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! ✨
  45. Annie Spa:
    🎉🍒ANNIE SPA🎉🍒 ✅7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLE✅ 👌SCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6👌 ☎️ (647) 891-9688☎️ ☎️ (416) 291-8879☎️ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥🔥 🔥GORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Helen🥰Brand new very young university student from Hong Kong. Great massage skills with a wild flirtatious side willing to tease and please to bring you to satisfaction. Perky natural 34C breasts perfect for kissing and body slide
  46. New Oriental Health Centre:
    🫦Happy is in today 📞Call 📲 Text: (647) 381-2688 🍑 Happy is a very talented Korean Babe. She will show you a good time 💋|| 🤗 Walk-Ins Always Welcome 📅 Open 8am til Late #26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  47. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Mandy and Judy work
  48. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa ♨️♨️♨️table shower 👍👍👍👍👍body scrub🌹🌹🌹🌹5124 Dundas W Etobicoke ☎️416-817-3366 Nice girl Lily is joining. She can provide a very good massage with sensual touch. She knows how to take direction and please a man. Suki 😘can provide deep Thai massage. She takes directions very well. She has many assets and knows how to use them. Come see her today.Welcome to walk in or make an appointment at any time. Plenty of parking space
  49. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek : For Sunday February 16, 2025, our attendants will be Ada 😘, Cici 👌, Lucy ❤️, Ivy 💯 and Christina 🔥 Call 905-479-6668 to book!
  50. Endless Joy Spa:
    ✨✨✨✨✨[GRAND OPENING]✨✨✨✨✨ 💞Endless Joy Spa💞 🎇 (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565🎇10am-2am, New First Day Young Sexy Curvy Vietnamese May, Slim Petite Chinese Vivi & Young Slim Sexy Chinese Faye
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