What to expect at a Semi- place (+ recos)?

[tecc]

So if you have seen any of my threads, I started hobbying in holistic spas (fuck shops) and have exclusively stuck to that with an occasional LL incall thrown in. It's my comfort zone, I know what to expect, how to act, etc.

I'm intrigued by Semi- spas because the one thing you tend to not get much of in holistic is flirty gfe stuff, and I like attention... I've also never had a BS, SF2, etc. Why I'm hesitant is the semi-legit ads in Toronto seems so coy, so nudge nudge wink wink compared to the holistic places I go to. Ideally I would find a place with reasonably attractive asian attendants (I'm not super fussy) but there are so many things I don't know. Below are questions in no particular order:

If an attendant offers BS, is this the expectation for how they will get you off...? Does this become/replace the massage?

Are there semi-legit places that have MPAs who routinely offer bbbj/cim finish on the menu?

If so, how much would you expect to pay ballpark?

Is there any difference to the 'routine' from typical holistic places? What I mean by routine here is that I will go in, spend 10-15 minutes getting a mediocre to decent massage, get teased in a fairly unsubtle way then asked directly what I would like and quoted a price (if that did not come earlier), followed by the expected services. How does it work with semi- places?

Thanks in advance. Into the unknooowwwwwnnnnnn...

 

[Lalallala]

Re: cost, it’s made up of two components: the room fee and the tip, which is a sliding scale based on what service is delivered. there’s a thread that some people use for tips. As you can see, it varies a bit.

As for everything else.. it is highly variable, which is why there used to be reviews . You run the entire gamut from massage without the attendant touching your junk to attendants who only pretend to give a massage and mostly just focus on service. Some guys prefer lower mileage (ie more restrictive) girls and some prefer some girls that are more at home in holistic spas. But one thing is that with semis is that most services are YMMV… which can be annoying.

The usual routine is similar to holistic spas, shower and get onto the table. Usually nude but maybe not - it’s up to you. The attendant will start the massage and the services usually start when you turn over. My favourite services gal would usually divide an hour session into 40 min massage and 20 min services, or a 30 min session into 15 min each; she usually confirms with me for the shorter sessions so we are both on the same page, or I can tell her at the start what I want.

Massage quality will vary significantly.

So if you are in pursuit of more services then the massage part is where you each sus each other and see what you each feel comfortable with.

As for the finish - I think typically it’s a hand job but anything else is probably going to be YMMV. I don’t think bbbj is super common and cim is definitely uncommon.

Also bj/fs will vary in permissiveness at different semis. Aside from Ocean Motion, it’s kept on the down low everywhere. Some places will outright ban and fire a girl if she’s caught doing one or the other, while others just don’t want you talking about it. And bj/fs is always YMMV.

Of course, once you get to know a girl better you can set expectations for your session. I can text a girl and tell her I don’t want a massage the next time and any special requests (eg what colour lipstick as an example, or outfit choices if you get to that level). Or if I don’t want a massage and spend the entire time on services, etc… although recently I did text a girl about not wanting a massage and services only and she ended up doing massage only and no service. Kind of surprised me but it was a really good massage and she put more effort into it than usual. I was pretty happy and left her with more tip than I usually do just for services.

So basically, semis are kind of annoying because everything (aside from the room fee payment) is highly variable: from the massage (and quality) to any service to the ending. There are duds, unfortunately, just like the holistic world, so you just don’t repeat with the girl.

You can certainly get SF2 etc in the holistic world - and again, in the semi world, gotta ask. Sometimes you get a surprise SF3 if the two girls want to make sure you are really clean

 

[Lalallala]

Oh, about tipping.. some girls discuss it up front. Some don’t ask. My regulars don’t ask because we set the expectation in previous sessions. Many of the girls have some sort of the idea about standard rates (eg suko definitely does not like it when you tip more than $80 for a BS) so they sort of expect that, and if you are tipping less than that at the end then they may complain. Don’t be the guy that tries to tip $60 after getting fs…

 

[Lalallala]

Oh, as for why many of the services are nudge nudge wink wink is because there are a lot of entitled fucks on this board. They don’t understand YMMV and if they hear about a girl doing something to one guy, they expect the same and put minimal effort into it. I started out giving pretty detailed reviews but find that the girls I like have been having bad experiences with new clients because of what wrote, I cut back a lot on what I say. It’s those assholes that ruin it.

 

[Lalallala]

Oh, one pitfall that you have to decide if you want to avoid is when a girl says she will only offer a service “next time”. Is she manipulating you for more money/visits/repeats/etc or not? I had a great first session with a gal last week and then she pulls that on me. I’m mulling over whether I want to repeat with her or not - if she did then I would have 100% repeat but because of that, I am still undecided and leaning towards no - is she really just unsure or is she trying to manipulate me. The more I think about it, the more I am leaning towards the latter.

 

[Blawdclat Gook]

Oh, one pitfall that you have to decide if you want to avoid is when a girl says she will only offer a service “next time”. Is she manipulating you for more money/visits/repeats/etc or not? I had a great first session with a gal last week and then she pulls that on me. I’m mulling over whether I want to repeat with her or not - if she did then I would have 100% repeat but because of that, I am still undecided and leaning towards no - is she really just unsure or is she trying to manipulate me. The more I think about it, the more I am leaning towards the latter.

If she's asian, then most likely she's trying to swindle you...I'd avoid

 

[Lalallala]

If she's asian, then most likely she's trying to swindle you...I'd avoid

Yeah. Of course she’s asian. Oh well…

 

[Surgeon1936]

If she's asian, then most likely she's trying to swindle you...I'd avoid

usually the girls more open up with repeats so for my point of view it's normal behavior

 

[krayjee]

So if you have seen any of my threads, I started hobbying in holistic spas (fuck shops) and have exclusively stuck to that with an occasional LL incall thrown in. It's my comfort zone, I know what to expect, how to act, etc.

I'm intrigued by Semi- spas because the one thing you tend to not get much of in holistic is flirty gfe stuff, and I like attention... I've also never had a BS, SF2, etc. Why I'm hesitant is the semi-legit ads in Toronto seems so coy, so nudge nudge wink wink compared to the holistic places I go to. Ideally I would find a place with reasonably attractive asian attendants (I'm not super fussy) but there are so many things I don't know. Below are questions in no particular order:

If an attendant offers BS, is this the expectation for how they will get you off...? Does this become/replace the massage?

Are there semi-legit places that have MPAs who routinely offer bbbj/cim finish on the menu?

If so, how much would you expect to pay ballpark?

Is there any difference to the 'routine' from typical holistic places? What I mean by routine here is that I will go in, spend 10-15 minutes getting a mediocre to decent massage, get teased in a fairly unsubtle way then asked directly what I would like and quoted a price (if that did not come earlier), followed by the expected services. How does it work with semi- places?

Thanks in advance. Into the unknooowwwwwnnnnnn...

Hey OP , don't waste time reading Lalalla's confusing comments and suggestions. Just go see Amy and Mimi today at East Beaver Wellness, Jenny at Lavender wellness and Ling at Golden Rose water.You don't need to tell them anything , Just give them $160 to 180 in advance room fees and tips inclusive for one hour (which is what you usually pay for half hr at Holistic spas). .They'll take care of you like a king with good massage and good fun. . They all are very good looking girls in their low 30s with great attitude good skills. Much better value than seeing holistic girls.

 

[Ambler]

Hey OP , don't waste time reading Lalalla's confusing comments and suggestions. Just go see Amy and Mimi today at East Beaver Wellness, Jenny at Lavender wellness and Ling at Golden Rose water.You don't need to tell them anything , Just give them $160 to 180 in advance room fees and tips inclusive for one hour (which is what you usually pay for half hr at Holistic spas). .They'll take care of you like a king with good massage and good fun. . They all are very good looking girls in their low 30s with great attitude good skills. Much better value than seeing holistic girls.

So, he is telling you to see girls who give BBBJ at semis. These are girls who work at spas he manages, and in the first instance is partner with the lady, business and otherwise.

Lallala has offered thoughtful advice as a customer and very busy hobbyist. Krayjee is promoting girls that work for him at different times and places.

Your choice of course, but buyer beware.

 

[tecc]

Honestly, thanks to all of you (except that one guy). This is way more in depth and thoughtful than I thought I was gonna get here. I'm ok with the business hyping too... I mean if they offer the service they offer the service. Appreciate the multiple perspectives.

 

[krayjee]

Honestly, thanks to all of you (except that one guy). This is way more in depth and thoughtful than I thought I was gonna get here. I'm ok with the business hyping too... I mean if they offer the service they offer the service. Appreciate the multiple perspectives.

I only talk about the girls I know very well. Jenny is one of the best in the market with good looks and very liberal service and I am not affiliated with the two spas she works , Lavender and SL. If you are intoBBBJCIM, Ling at GRW is really good.

If you look at the posting histories of Lalalla and Ambler, you can easily find out what they are good at. One is a troll posting in every thread with not much substance and another one is just a hater registered in here to stalk me with very little hobby experience. All he's good at it was twisting up stories to bash me and sucking up spa bosses.

I am not here to be liked or loved. I don't give a flying fuck. I am willing to help anyone whenever i can.

 

[tecc]

Aannd now we are back to typical forum bullshit. It was good while it lasted. Thanks for the advice anyways, guys. For what it's worth, I love you all (except for that one guy).

 

[Lalallala]

Aannd now we are back to typical forum bullshit. It was good while it lasted. Thanks for the advice anyways, guys. For what it's worth, I love you all (except for that one guy).

It’s been a busy morning, so haven’t been able to reply. But yeah, Jenny is the closest to holistic you are going to get.. it’s all downhill from there. That said, you still gotta earn it and some things are still YMMV.

 

[luvdafurburger]

I am not here to be liked or loved. I don't give a flying fuck. I am willing to help anyone whenever i can.

Maybe we were wrong about you all along. I guess you're really a Saint with a cape.

A Saint who spikes drinks, exploits girls, and an ex con.

 

[energymatters]

Aannd now we are back to typical forum bullshit. It was good while it lasted. Thanks for the advice anyways, guys. For what it's worth, I love you all (except for that one guy).

As you own this thread, the new block feature can be your friend.

 

[BasedD]

As a holistic guy, you may be used to shorter sessions.

To have a truly good massage + a truly good orgasm, youll want to avoid 30m (even 60m) appointments. 90m gives you 60m massage/30m fun, or 45m and 45m.

Lean into longer with whoever you decide to see.

Lala is very much not a troll, krayjee is being paid, Ambler is a tryhard loser who likes to pump his broken ego up by using big words in the company of autists and retards.

 

[throwaway33]

So if you have seen any of my threads, I started hobbying in holistic spas (fuck shops) and have exclusively stuck to that with an occasional LL incall thrown in. It's my comfort zone, I know what to expect, how to act, etc.

I'm intrigued by Semi- spas because the one thing you tend to not get much of in holistic is flirty gfe stuff, and I like attention... I've also never had a BS, SF2, etc. Why I'm hesitant is the semi-legit ads in Toronto seems so coy, so nudge nudge wink wink compared to the holistic places I go to. Ideally I would find a place with reasonably attractive asian attendants (I'm not super fussy) but there are so many things I don't know. Below are questions in no particular order:

If an attendant offers BS, is this the expectation for how they will get you off...? Does this become/replace the massage?

Are there semi-legit places that have MPAs who routinely offer bbbj/cim finish on the menu?

If so, how much would you expect to pay ballpark?

Is there any difference to the 'routine' from typical holistic places? What I mean by routine here is that I will go in, spend 10-15 minutes getting a mediocre to decent massage, get teased in a fairly unsubtle way then asked directly what I would like and quoted a price (if that did not come earlier), followed by the expected services. How does it work with semi- places?

Thanks in advance. Into the unknooowwwwwnnnnnn...

You are overthinking this too much brother. I am sure most girls at fuck shops will be happy to give you a BS, massage or GFE treatment if you ask.

Girls work at semi's over holistic's for two reasons
1) They are too old and fuck shops wont hire them
2) They want to limit their services to HJ/BS

BBBJ/CIM and FS will always be YMMV at semis. Never expect it.

Pricing will always be less than fuck shops. Pay the receptionist the room fee which is 40/50/60 dollars for 30/45/60 minutes. Then negotiate services with the girl in the room. Your top end all in costs including room fee will be under 200$ for 60 minutes. Paying anything more and you are getting swindled.

 

[Old No. 7]

Re: cost, it’s made up of two components: the room fee and the tip, which is a sliding scale based on what service is delivered. there’s a thread that some people use for tips. As you can see, it varies a bit.

As for everything else.. it is highly variable, which is why there used to be reviews . You run the entire gamut from massage without the attendant touching your junk to attendants who only pretend to give a massage and mostly just focus on service. Some guys prefer lower mileage (ie more restrictive) girls and some prefer some girls that are more at home in holistic spas. But one thing is that with semis is that most services are YMMV… which can be annoying.

The usual routine is similar to holistic spas, shower and get onto the table. Usually nude but maybe not - it’s up to you. The attendant will start the massage and the services usually start when you turn over. My favourite services gal would usually divide an hour session into 40 min massage and 20 min services, or a 30 min session into 15 min each; she usually confirms with me for the shorter sessions so we are both on the same page, or I can tell her at the start what I want.

Massage quality will vary significantly.

So if you are in pursuit of more services then the massage part is where you each sus each other and see what you each feel comfortable with.

As for the finish - I think typically it’s a hand job but anything else is probably going to be YMMV. I don’t think bbbj is super common and cim is definitely uncommon.

Also bj/fs will vary in permissiveness at different semis. Aside from Ocean Motion, it’s kept on the down low everywhere. Some places will outright ban and fire a girl if she’s caught doing one or the other, while others just don’t want you talking about it. And bj/fs is always YMMV.

Of course, once you get to know a girl better you can set expectations for your session. I can text a girl and tell her I don’t want a massage the next time and any special requests (eg what colour lipstick as an example, or outfit choices if you get to that level). Or if I don’t want a massage and spend the entire time on services, etc… although recently I did text a girl about not wanting a massage and services only and she ended up doing massage only and no service. Kind of surprised me but it was a really good massage and she put more effort into it than usual. I was pretty happy and left her with more tip than I usually do just for services.

So basically, semis are kind of annoying because everything (aside from the room fee payment) is highly variable: from the massage (and quality) to any service to the ending. There are duds, unfortunately, just like the holistic world, so you just don’t repeat with the girl.

You can certainly get SF2 etc in the holistic world - and again, in the semi world, gotta ask. Sometimes you get a surprise SF3 if the two girls want to make sure you are really clean

You may find the uncertainty annoying, but some may find that to be part of the fun.
A challenge, if you will.

 

[BasedD]

You may find the uncertainty annoying, but some may find that to be part of the fun.
A challenge, if you will.

Agree here. If you want certainty, book well known escorts.