Hidden Indian massage brampton

I decided to TOFTT. Walked in and was greeted by Nishu. Prior review about being fit with a large rack are on point. She quoted $45 for 25min, $55 for 45min and $75 for 60min. I asked if extras were on the table and she said only HJ for $50. Pricing was definitely a little rich compared to the standard rate but I decided to try my luck and see how things go. I asked for the 45min option. Went into the room and got undressed. She walked in a couple of mins later. She started with a massage on the back and legs. Decent with good pressure but nothing too special. We started chatting and her she definitely has a very bubbly personality. I also agree that she's probably one of the better options in terms of looks middle aged indian women in Brampton. About 15mins in she asked me to flip and start teasing junior. Her tease was good and I she spent a good 10mins on this before she started working towards a release. The earlier review about roaming hands is where I'll have to disagree. When I tried to reach for more she said it would be extra. +$40 to touch her tits and another $40 to get her topless. So I'm now looking at $185 for a topless massage with a happy ending? There's women way hotter that would do FS for that price. I put the right head on and said I'd be happy with just the HE. She finished me up and I got dressed with 10mins to spare. She didnt offer to continue the massage after even though we had plenty of extra time.

Now this is where she really turned me off. I hand her $120 (damage was $105) since all I had was 20s. She stepped out of the room while I got dressed. As I get to the desk she's seeing me off saying have a good day. I remind her she owes me some change she says she only has $5 and that she would make it up next time. Now I typically tip and probably would have left her a $5-10 but this hustle to ignore the change altogether and then squeeze another $10 out of me left me puzzled. Not a way to get repeat customers.

Looks: 6/10
Body: 8/10. I'm sure the rack is nice. Unfortunately I didnt get to see it
Service: 6/10. Great tease HJ but the pricing and last minute hustle deserves a -2

Repeat: Definite no! Not because of the service but the price point and the hustle. Save your money and go elsewhere in my opinion.
 
Thanks for TOFTTโ€ฆ I was going to take the plunge myself, but that review says โ€œNOโ€. No longer in the โ€œto tryโ€ list. No way a 45 min. topless massage with HE should be more than $120-$130.
 
I decided to TOFTT. Walked in and was greeted by Nishu. Prior review about being fit with a large rack are on point. She quoted $45 for 25min, $55 for 45min and $75 for 60min. I asked if extras were on the table and she said only HJ for $50. Pricing was definitely a little rich compared to the standard rate but I decided to try my luck and see how things go. I asked for the 45min option. Went into the room and got undressed. She walked in a couple of mins later. She started with a massage on the back and legs. Decent with good pressure but nothing too special. We started chatting and her she definitely has a very bubbly personality. I also agree that she's probably one of the better options in terms of looks middle aged indian women in Brampton. About 15mins in she asked me to flip and start teasing junior. Her tease was good and I she spent a good 10mins on this before she started working towards a release. The earlier review about roaming hands is where I'll have to disagree. When I tried to reach for more she said it would be extra. +$40 to touch her tits and another $40 to get her topless. So I'm now looking at $185 for a topless massage with a happy ending? There's women way hotter that would do FS for that price. I put the right head on and said I'd be happy with just the HE. She finished me up and I got dressed with 10mins to spare. She didnt offer to continue the massage after even though we had plenty of extra time.

Now this is where she really turned me off. I hand her $120 (damage was $105) since all I had was 20s. She stepped out of the room while I got dressed. As I get to the desk she's seeing me off saying have a good day. I remind her she owes me some change she says she only has $5 and that she would make it up next time. Now I typically tip and probably would have left her a $5-10 but this hustle to ignore the change altogether and then squeeze another $10 out of me left me puzzled. Not a way to get repeat customers.

Looks: 6/10
Body: 8/10. I'm sure the rack is nice. Unfortunately I didnt get to see it
Service: 6/10. Great tease HJ but the pricing and last minute hustle deserves a -2

Repeat: Definite no! Not because of the service but the price point and the hustle. Save your money and go elsewhere in my opinion.
Thanks for sharing.

Just a good example how easy free 15 bucks may ruin long term profit and reputation :)
 
Any intel on other girls working here ?

Any new petite Indian girls working here ?

Wanna try this place out but want to know if itโ€™s worth the 2hr drive from London .
 
There's a thicker brown girl also working there. Might be west Indian. I've seen Nishu. Pretty much same experience as Mityosh
 
Bad experience with their Brampton and etobicoke lesson. They did the "no change" thing to me too. They also charge for touch/topless.

They have also used different names to think they have variety only to be the same two ladies, Reema and Sandy.
 
next door All Season wellness in brampton is a hidden gem on the right side of it, there is a glass door at the bottom of it says Indian massage. It goes into the basement of the plaza and it's the first door to the right. $75 for an hour massage. Address is 30 Rambler dr. Brampton. Not sure on the unit because it goes into the lower level of the plaza. It's run by a woman that use to work for Raj ( Derry and Airport Rd on Drew Rd ).
Open Everyday 11:00am - 9:30pm
Nishu ( Manager ) is the woman's name .
# 437-244-4462 (Appointment Only).
Always good to know about reliable spots. Have you been there yourself? How was the experience if so? Curious to hear more about the atmosphere and services.
 
Always good to know about reliable spots. Have you been there yourself? How was the experience if so? Curious to hear more about the atmosphere and services.
This person did share their experience which is why I went. Personally felt my experience was different.
 
Unfortunately, and in most cases, these women are capitalists at their best. Every fucking opportunity they slap a charge, unless yer a regular and even that, in some cases matters not.
I've noticed sometimes I get more than the average guy on here, for same or less money, that's why reviews here are only a very basic guide, always, always ymmv.
I have many DMs that I respond to with accurate info for those who care, I leave very few comments on here unless its to corroborate someone else. I, as most are here to share experiences, I'm not here to promote any fucking spa like a few of these clowns in here, most of you know who they are.
 
Unfortunately, and in most cases, these women are capitalists at their best. Every fucking opportunity they slap a charge, unless yer a regular and even that, in some cases matters not.
I've noticed sometimes I get more than the average guy on here, for same or less money, that's why reviews here are only a very basic guide, always, always ymmv.
I have many DMs that I respond to with accurate info for those who care, I leave very few comments on here unless its to corroborate someone else. I, as most are here to share experiences, I'm not here to promote any fucking spa like a few of these clowns in here, most of you know who they are.
Yeah I take all the promoters with a few grains of salt. Gonna DM you if you don't mind.
 
I was in the area and thought I would drop by to see what it looks like. Was bothered by all the signs outside the building saying no drug dealing or pissing on the walls allowed! I was a little concerned about the three guys standing right outside the door to this unit but went in anyways. Met Nishu and saw the other two girls. All three had a big racks that looked like they would be fun to play with. All three also looked like that had a lot of mileage on them even though they were in their 30s to 40s. Nishu said her new pricing is $60 an hour. I asked how much for the extras and she said that's something that's discussed once in the room. I never did get into the room and told her the truth I was just stopping by to the see the place and didn't have time. It was funny that while I was there one of the girls came out a room with her hands dripping of oil saying the guy in there wanted to speak to Nishu about a complaint, but Nishu told the girl to deal with it herself as basically she was trying to make a sale with me. Given the right circumstances I might give them a try as those racks looked very tempting but when reading the prior posts that the charges are plus, plus, plus but especially that I didn't feel entirely comfortable outside the building due to how sketchy it was I don't plan on dropping by again.
 
Just come out of this place at 30 Rambler Dr. The Indian one, next to all season place

Lady was Nishu - looked 50+
Average build
Big titties
Wrinkliest face I ever seen

$40 for 30 mins
$50 for HJ and first said touching and topless was extraโ€ฆ insane prices for her faceโ€ฆ

Anyway, basic massage, shitty hand job, literally started shouting at me to hurry up as my time was close then proceeded the double handed jackhammer and complaining about time! I had to tell her to stop as she was hurting meโ€ฆ

Fucking insane lady

Then she felt bad about it and tried to be my friendโ€ฆ haha I told her she was shit and walked offโ€ฆ I asked for my $50 back and she refusedโ€ฆ $90 down the hole for an experiment

Never again!!!!
 
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    Jenny, Cindy, Coco, Jasmine, Amber, JPN Yui, Tina, Akino, Lucy & Dorisโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  32. DareDevil:
    JUST RELAX WELLNESS: 160 EAST BEAVER CREEK RD #17, RICHMOND HILL, Tel(905) 707 5877 Website:Just Relax Wellness Centre GTA'S most prestigious spas. 7 Well trained girls working today: Connie, Nancy, Eva, Selina, Sasa, Rebecca and Alice . Promo:LIMITED TIME SPECIAL 30MIN FOOT+60MIN BODY ONLY $80
  33. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Wednesday March 26, 2025, our attendants will be Opal ๐Ÿค—, Cici ๐Ÿ˜˜, Sandy ๐Ÿ˜, Yoyo ๐Ÿ‘ and Carla ๐Ÿฅฐ Call (905) 479-6668 to book!
  34. Shangri-la Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Tomorrow Wed๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Jenny, Cindy, Coco, Jasmine, Amber, JPN Yui, Tina, Akino, Lucy & Dorisโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  35. Pink Flower Spa:
  36. New spring spa@:
    โค๏ธsexy hot Filipino ๐ŸŒธGermany ๐ŸŒธ Korean girl working at๐Ÿ’“๐Ÿ’“ Nu spring spa โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  37. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683/905.886.9993 Tasty Tuesday! A loaded lineup with Young Beautiful Girls : Young Lori is back, Baby Selena, Elegant Ella, Lovely Lucy, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! Take advantage of New 4 hands Duo Promo 30 mins for only $70. BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) or BUY 5 HOURS (GET 6 HOURS) ASK ABOUT RMT COVERAGE. "PICKS OF THE DAY GOES TO YOUNG LORI AND ELEGANT ELLA**
  38. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅBEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Tina๐Ÿ˜˜- A sexy new petite girl from Singa
  39. Suko 5Girls:
    Suko Spa schdule today on Tuesday is with 7 lovely๐Ÿ’“ladies๐Ÿ’“Nora, Mia, Jojo, Sunny, Michelle, Yumi and Candy ๐Ÿ›ฃ 420 ValleymedeDr, Richmond Hill, same plaza McDonalds ๐Ÿ“žโ˜Ž 905-597-8880 โ˜Ž
  40. wonderspa:
    . ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Tuesday RMT available, Today's special recommendation ๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl Mimi,natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐Ÿ˜ป ๐ŸŽlong hair Lucy Q smile,very good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience .must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ’‹give you amazing time๐Ÿ”ฅ
  41. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New girl Ivy big boobs 36DD ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜Hot and sexy body, super body slide, very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, Mia charming breasts 36D pink nipples good massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of parking
  42. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683/905.886.9993 Tasty Tuesday! A loaded lineup with Young Beautiful Girls : Young Lori is back, Baby Selena, Elegant Ella, Lovely Lucy, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! Take advantage of New 4 hands Duo Promo 30 mins for only $70. BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) or BUY 5 HOURS (GET 6 HOURS) ASK ABOUT RMT COVERAGE. "PICKS OF THE DAY GOES TO YOUNG LORI AND ELEGANT ELLA**
  43. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธCassy๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธLily๐ŸŒธMaria Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  44. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธASHA, PAYAL PEARL, MONIKA, ANGEL, AMANDA, MIMI, SALMA, JULY, SARIKA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  45. HollywoodSpa:
    Tuesday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: COCO & SISI. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž COCO is an attractive attendant with nice massage skills & good services. SISI is a sweet slim beauty, 5โ€™2โ€, with a beauty ass, excellent massage, and amazing services. Come and see why she is so popular. When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care
  46. ForeverWarden:
    Tuesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Tracy & Vivian. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs. She is very popular for her exotic massage & services.
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Tuesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: EMMA, JENNY & CINDY. EMMA is a very beautiful slim Chinese honey with C Cups, beauty face, & nice services to drive you wild. Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy
  48. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day, Young Cute Chinese Jesse, Slim Petite Chinese Vivi & Young Slim Sexy Chinese Faye
  49. SugarLoveSpa:
    Tuesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: KELLY, MIMI, & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. KELLY is a young Singaporean lady with liberal skills. MIMI is a slim & busty Asian/Euro mix beauty, 50Kgs & 1M60. Mimi has a very versatile range of services. TIFFANY is an amazing slim petite doll with natural 34C melons, slim waist, & a cute little 33โ€ booty.
  50. AliceSpa:
    TUESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Young Beauties Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm: DORIS: is a slim Taiwanese sweetie with C Cups, smooth wheat color skin, soft voice, kissing queen, dfk cim rim bbbj, all services. KITTY (11:30am-9pm) : is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new to the business. Very friendly, no rush, dfk, bbbj
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