sports massage therapists

How would listing the qualificaions I have written (all of which are currently on NDAQ / RRQ) 'back it up'!
I don't sign them so you would only question them

Anyway I fail to see why I should justify anything to you personally
As I said all those on this forum whose opinions I respect already know exactly who I am

Oh well I tried

Good luck with your Degree
Hope it gets you where you want to get in the industry but please do not consider it to be a 'magic ticket' to succeed

More important is luck, contacts and personality and, since I have not written any qualifications in these subjects, I cannot help you with any of them
 
Appologies to everyone on this forum for the direction this debate has evolved

In summary, removing all candor and rhetoric (and my final word on the subject) I would just like to say that although doing any Degree is laudable in my personal experience it is not always necessary
End of......
 
well i can honestly say i never thought my post would spark such anger so ive re-posted my original post and highlighted a few parts.

i wrote this post hoping that it would embrace that fact that we are different, that's why we have different titles ST/SMP but we need to work together to help promote our work and to make the public more aware of our industry.

So what if you have a degree or diploma, well done to you which ever you achieved. Those people who do rubbish courses will be rubbish therapist and will not last long in the real world.

But fighting, bickering and stabbing each other in the back helps no-one

like i said i wrote the post to help promote SM, i never said we were the same as ST, i am a SMP and want to be known as a professional therapist by the powers that be.

embrace and promote regardless of what you do
 
Hi Beagle

I'm not surprised at all, apart from the time delay between you first post and the flack afterwards. I've been on here for toooo long ;-)

I've often said on Hp that I'm happy to be a massage therapist and bodyworker, and it can be as sophisticated and skilled as any other therapy, if the practitioner wishes to go that way. So many therapies have overlaps, so it can be hard to come out with precise definitions. I have no answers to the ST/SMP quagmire (though definitions have been spoken about on Hp and syllabus links). Looking at your background, I would of thought that you would of benefited from being both a sports therapist & a massage therapist.

Best wishes

RP
 
Hi Beagle

These arguments are going on in different forums all over the world, profession against profession and internal arguing to boot, I wish you luck.

Regards steve
 
i can see that now, why we stab each all the time is beyond me, we are a caring profession, trained to help people get and feel better. this Attitude about who is better im really not about that. i dont claim to know or treat people better than any other therapist regardless of there qual.

all im trying to do is(although not doing very well at) promote our trade to the public. we all want more work and to recognized more. the more voices the louder we are and if SM & ST worked together then perhaps we would be able to work on a level playing field with other therapist

im not holding my breath. i was told today that physios are moving in a different direction away from hands on therapies, it will leave a whole for all of us if we work together.

we shall see
 
quite the opposite, Physio degrees are now reintroducing massage into the syllabus, in response to NICE report on LBP which recommended massage from appropriately trained therapists. Between 1 and 11 hours was common place before this acedemic year

regarding SMPs and STs working together, I fear there might be too much of a crossover of the basic skillset and therefore some will see it a competing for the same client base.
bgfl
 
yes i fear you maybe right.

the physio i was speaking had been in the industry for some time so it maybe just his practice but if physios are training more into massage then it show even more that we need to fight together to stop physios pulling what clients we get away from us. ive not meet a physio that is hands on yet so i doubt they will start

but as SM & ST do have many crossovers then we should just be one voice and make a point of what our trade we do for the public. we will just be left by the other professions and thats not good for us
 
Hi Richard (Beagle)
just to say how much I admire your optimisum, not only would I nominate you for the nobel peace prize I would def drop by for a rub when in coventry.
We all hold passionately held possitions that unfortunately all to easily decend into an unholy bunfight (quite how this all looks to the silent veiwing public I can't imagine).

your comments are a breath of fresh air
 
why thank you

having been a sports coach and personal trainer for so long i need my passion to flow out onto other so they will achieve their goals. im the same way with sports massage, it took me a long time to find this profession and now i embrace it, i wish we all could do the same.

to hear my clients say how freer they feel after having a treatment from me and when can they book for their next massage is very rewarding.

i am new to this business (only 4 years now) and i have a lot to learn, but it will not stop me being proactive and passionate about SM & ST, its the way forward regarding rehab, injury prevention, and damn right feeling good factor
 
I have been doing it a bit longer than you, and the realization that you can have such a positive effect on sufferers, getting them back to work, stopping an unnessecary operation,.........its a feeling that can't be beat
 
you hit the nail on the head there, how many other therapies like ours that can be a prevention to injury rather than a after effect. How many people will go to a physio once a month to keep supple or in condition, thats the benefit of SM it enables people to hopefully stay injury free
 
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    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New girl New girl Maggie ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜sexy body, super body slide, very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of parking spaces
  38. New spring spa@:
    โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅsexy hot busty ๐ŸŒธCanadian๐ŸŒธMalaysia ๐ŸŒธKorean ๐ŸŒธgirls working at Markham โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅ
  39. Kayf:
    Did anyone saw Karina?
  40. JerryWangWw:
    Suko spa every day have 7 different style beautiful girls working here please call 905-597-8880 ๐Ÿคฉ ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜
  41. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Coco -๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜Our new sexy and slim massage girl Coco exudes elegance and allure, with
  42. Q Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Sexy Sweet Girl Gigi is working with Service Queeen Yoyo today @ Q Spa!!๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜ ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’Q SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…4465 SHEPPARD AVENUE EAST UNIT #27โœ… SCARBOROUGH - BRIMLEY & SHEPPARD โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-727-2577)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only Spa Landline โœ…OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAYโœ… ๐Ÿ’ฏโœ…TWO NEW ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY ๐Ÿ’ฏโœ…EXCELLENT MASSAGE+ ๐Ÿ’ฏโœ…EXTRA SERVICES AVAILABLE ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’Q SPA IS YOUR IDEAL MASSAGE + SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS SPA WITH YOUNG ASIAN SEXY PETITE GIRLS๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’ ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF GIRLS WORKING IN OUR SPA EVERYDAY๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ Availab
  43. Suko 5Girls:
    Suko Spa schdule today on Tuesday is with 7 lovely๐Ÿ’“ladies๐Ÿ’‡ Nora, Amy, Judy, Jojo, Michelle, Yumi and Candy ๐Ÿ›ฃ 420 ValleymedeDr, Richmond Hill, same plaza McDonalds ๐Ÿ“žโ˜Ž 905-597-8880 โ˜Ž
  44. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Julia๐Ÿ˜˜ - A shy new Korean girl waiting
  45. SugarLoveSpa:
    Tuesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, MIMI & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. MIMI is a slim & busty Asian/Euro mix beauty, 50Kgs & 1M60. Mimi has a very versatile range
  46. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธCassy๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธLynda Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  47. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธNina๐ŸŒธClaire๐ŸŒธMariaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  48. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Ensuit shower is available ๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl beautiful face Mimi,natural c cup,deep tissue massage ,nice body slide ๐Ÿ’„new beautiful face Nancy strong to relaxing massage hot stone cupping,give you comfortable warm time๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  49. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New girl New girl Maggie ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜sexy body, super body slide, very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of parking spaces
  50. OrchidSPA:
    Today we have Beautiful Girls Sofia & Mia. ๐Ÿ”ฅ Sofia is Slim, Cute and Openminded.๐ŸคฉMia is also a slim cute girl. ๐Ÿšถโ€โžก๏ธ Drop In and Enjoy A Delicious & Satisfying Experience Today! ๐Ÿคฉ OPEN: 10am to 10:00pm ~ Call/Text โฉ๏ธ 437-220-6963 ~ Unit#103 3601 Highway 7, Markham, ON L3R 0M3
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